Tuesday, January 8, 2008

Conflict

The gentleman who commented on my last post insists that the "Philistines", if they had only accepted the deals offered to them time and again (and I would wager that he thinks they were good offers), instead of rejecting them violently, would no longer be stateless. His solution now is: send them to Jordan.

This is an unproductive narrative. Transferring "the Philistines" to Jordan is a fancy way of saying ETHNIC CLEANSING. Ethnic cleansing=illegal. It was illegal when Hitler did it and when countless other regimes did it, and I don't think that Israel (or the U.S.) should get a get out of jail free card when/if they do it. Anyone who proposes such a thing should be charged with incitement of crimes against humanity; it is an act of hate speech. (And lest he or anyone think I have a double standard, I believe the same should hold true for those who believe that Israelis should be "thrown into the sea".)

Time and again, an argument is made that if the Palestinians had accepted the offers that were given to them (Peel Commission, UN Mandate, Oslo, etc.), they would no longer be fighting for their national aspirations. To some degree this is true: if hindsight were foresight, the earlier offers made to Palestinians were certainly better than what they are likely to get from Israel now in negotiations, which has consolidated its power in the international community and secured critical alliances with the U.S. (and to a lesser degree, the EU).

The greater question is: on whose authority can one country or governmental body determine the sovereignty of another people? The idea that the colonial power or an international body should have the privilege of determining for the inhabitants of an area what its boundaries are is a pretty anti-democratic concept. Why should the majority of inhabitants be denied the ability to continue to live on their land and be with their people in one country?

I also chuckle and grimace when I hear someone say that the Philistines/Arabs (they never say Palestinians) can just go to Jordan (or Egypt). A. Jordan and Egypt don't want them. B. They don't want to go to Jordan or Egypt. The Arab people are united in language (with regional dialectical differences) and may have similar cultures, but they are far from homogeneous and have long held unique social identities that vary by region, religion and social class. The Arab League, like the EU, might wish to join together for economic reasons, but they would still wish to retain their own national identity. Certainly if you asked a Saudi if they are the same as Jordanians, they would have a long list of how they differ, and how they have no desire to be a citizen of the other country. Palestinians have considered themselves uniquely Palestinian for quite a long time (since long before the Zionist movement began), and have strong ties to the same piece of land that Israel would like to claim. The million dollar question in my mind is not: how do you get rid of the Palestinians or Israelis, but how do you get these people to decide to build a shared future together?

Some people inevitably will start talking about how they can't live with "them." As someone who has the privilege of being able to travel to both Israeli areas and Palestinian areas, I can see how everyone is so much more alike than they are different. Everyone has the same dreams for their children's safety and well-being. Everyone wants freedom. Everyone wants to have the right to reach their greatest potential.

I believe with humility, honesty and hard work (and apologies for suffering and restitution for losses) there could be forgiveness and reconciliation. It's not a pipe dream of an idealist; it's the recognition of someone who sees the humanity on both sides of the Green Line.

Peace is possible, if you want it.

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This weekend while I was at the IPCRI conference, an Israeli woman said that she wants to make peace with Palestinians because she loves Israel. She believes that all people have a right to their own nation, and she wants to make peace with Palestinians so that they can coexist beside each other. The premise of this statement suggests that she believes that the only way that a people can have self-determination is if they have their own country.

I can understand what she is saying, but I don't think it is acceptable for the self-determination of one "people" at the expense of another. This sort of thesis doesn't acknowledge the existence and rights of the people who were living on the same soil when the Zionist movement began. My hope for this young woman is that she--and others, like the man who wrote in the comments--will find other ways of envisioning a future beside Palestinians; it may be too late for the two state partitioning of this tiny bit of land, and all are attached to it.


I also wonder about what it means when someone talks about the rights of a particular "people." Like the Arab "people", there is not one Jewish "people"; there are many Jewish people. Orthodox, Ultra Orthodox, Reform, Conservative, etc. and a large number who identify as agnostic or atheist, but culturally/ethically Jewish, and a wide Jewish Diaspora that includes people of many races and distinct sub-cultures. Is there one country that can embrace all of them as equals? If there is a country for a certain kind of "people", must someone who is part of that group uproot themselves from a successful life elsewhere in order to "return" to a country whose soil they have never touched?

I don't believe that it is necessary for "a people" to have their own country. We are all one people, and paradoxically, all unique individuals. What everyone needs is a home (although some of us may feel that we could be at home in many places). What is important is to live in a country that provides equal rights for all of its citizens, strives to ensure that their basic human needs are met, provides equal opportunity under the law, and adheres to the universal declaration of human rights.

Enough with the nationalism and insistence on privileging a certain kind of person. Equality for all!

4 comments:

Jessica McCoy said...

Actually, if you spend time in Hebron and talk with local people, they speak regularly about how when the effort was made to purge Hebron of Jews, the indigenous Arab Jewish population was protected by their neighbors. The same can't really be said for people who came with their political/Zionist agenda and confiscated property that didn't belong to them. Hebron is just one example; the scene was repeated elsewhere.

It is a very small percentage of Palestinians and Arabs who insist that Jews should be forced to leave Palestine (or Israel, depending on your point of view). Sadly, they have the loudest mouths, kind of like you, with your similarly extreme point of view. Your narrative is a selective retelling of the facts that also has a fair amount of nationalist propaganda weaved in, comparable to the dominant narrative of the history of the United States. The history of the U.S. would sound quite different if told by the indigenous population, would it not?

Most Palestinians would be happy with an acknowledgment that forcing them off of their land was wrong and restitution for their losses, coupled with equal rights within a multi-cultural, multi-religious state.

Because that seems highly unlikely at this time, they view a two-state solution in the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem as their compromise; 22% of historical Palestine.

P.S. I love it when people erroneously assume that I agree with the choices made by various Palestinian leaders and their choice of associates and try to silence me by labeling me with a false label.

P.P.S. Are you threatening me? Tracing IP address...

Yishai Kohen said...

1. Actually, I spend a lot more time in Hebron that you ever will, and that "effort" to protect Jews was not much of an effort. That's why 67 were brutally murdered and the entire community was ethnically cleansed:

"…the rabbis, Meir Kastel, 68 years old, and Tzvi Drabkin, 70 years old, and five other young men… were robbed, castrated, tortured and murdered… The baker, Noah Immerman was roasted alive on an oven, Rabbi Ya'akov Orlanski HaCohen… was found… praying… they took his brain from his skull and his wife's intestines were crushed… the pharmacist, Ben-Tzion Gershon, lame, unable to move, who served in Hebron for 40 years, kindly assisting many Arabs, they cut off his nose and fingers, killed him, raped his daughter and murdered her with awful torture. The teacher Dubkinov and Yitzhak Abushdid were strangled with a rope… six synagogues… including 64 Torah scrolls, many of them ancient, from the Spanish exile, all were stolen and desecrated...."

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=4310

The Arabs are lucky that we're not like they are.

2. Don't give me that lie about only a handful of Arabs want us ethnically cleansed. That has long-since been debunked- even before Hamas was elected to rule.

"Atwan: Arafat Signed Oslo Accords Hoping Jews Would Flee" (November 20, 2004)

Yasser Arafat agreed to sign the Oslo Accords because he expected that the agreements would lead thousands of Jews to flee Israel.

Abdel Bari Atwan, editor of the London-based daily al-Quds al-Arabi, said Arafat said so when they met in Tunis, days before he returned to the Gaza Strip. "The man told me, 'Listen, Abdel Bari, I know that you are opposed to the Oslo Accords, but you must always remember what I'm going to tell you. The day will come when you will see thousands of Jews fleeing Palestine. I will not live to see this, but you will definitely see it in your lifetime. The Oslo Accords will help bring this about.'"...

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Diplomacy/4426.htm

3. As to your comparison of the Philistines to the Native Americans:

"American Indians Aren’t Like Palestinians", David A. Yeagley (22 December 2002)

Many people see a similarity between American Indians and today’s Palestinians. I’m Comanche Indian. I see no similarity whatsoever....

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=1731

"Aboriginal Canadians in Israel to Support Aboriginal Israelis" (Aug 15, '04 / 28 Av 5764)

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=67391

"Native American Leaders Grant Peace Pipe To Jerusalem Mayor" (May 22, 2006)

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=718612&contrassID=1&subContrassID=1

4. The Arabs will give US restitution for THEIR ethnic cleansing of the Jews, from North Africa to Iraq and everywhere in between- including here- or they will never know peace.

5. There is no such thing as "historic Palestine". The Arabs rule 78% of what was going tobe the Jewish state. It's called Jordan, and Jews have been forbidden by "law" from even LIVING there since 1920. If ANYTHING is going to be "Palestine", it's ONLY going to be Jordan:

A. Jordan is a MAJORITY "Palestinian".

B. Most "Palestinians" in Judea and Samaria, and many in Gaza are Jordanian citizens.

C. The Queen of Jordan, Rania, is a "Palestinian".

D. This means that the next king of Jordan will be half "Palestinian".

E. Fully half of Jordan's parliament is made up of "Palestinian" lawmakers.

F. Jordan's chambers of commerce report an even higher "Palestinian" membership.

G. Jordan's economic infrastructure is in "Palestinian" hands, particularly since the Gulf War, when they were expelled from the Gulf States and settled in Jordan with their money, spurring a tremendous construction boom and an economic explosion as they built businesses based on money they brought from the Gulf.

H. Jordan's capital, Amman, has more "Palestinians" than any other city in the world.

I. The Jordanian flag is therefore the EXACT same flag as the "Palestinian" flag- the only difference being the addition of a star for the King.

J. After World War I, various parts of the former Ottoman Empire in the Middle East were restructured. On April 11, 1921 the British gave the name The Emirate of Transjordan to about 80% of what they were due to be allocated as the Palestine mandate. It became an autonomous political state under British administration under the nominal auspices of the League of Nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan

K. At the end of World War I, the territory now comprising Israel, Jordan, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and Jerusalem was awarded to the United Kingdom by the League of Nations as the mandate for Palestine and Transjordan. In 1922, the British divided the mandate by establishing the semi-autonomous Emirate of Transjordan, ruled by the Hashemite Prince Abdullah, while continuing the administration of Palestine under a British High Commissioner. The mandate over Transjordan ended on May 22, 1946; on May 25, the country became the independent Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jordan

L. Jordan is "Palestine":

http://www.therightroadtopeace.com/eng/DefaultEng.html

6. I love it when people try to weasel out of their responsibility for supporting terrorists: "No- not me. I supported the Germans in WWII by going to Germany to help them- but not the Nazis". Right.

7. I'm not threatening you. You're in far more danger among the Philistines than from us law-abiding Jews.

As to tracing IP addresses, feel free. I have done it myself on my IP address and they're always wrong- off by 100 kilometers or more- not that I would care if you knew which house is mine. I have survived your terrorist friends' attacks on me. If I'm not afraid of an AK-47 wielding terrorist- which I wasn't and am not, I'm not going to be afraid of a misguided naive "teacher".

Anonymous said...

Jessica, get this bigot off here if you can.

Yishai Kohen said...

"tina",

Bigotry is what I exposed in my post above.

We won't allow that here in OUR land.